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	<title>Comments on: Open Access: What is it and what does “Open” mean</title>
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		<title>By: pm286</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/10/23/open-access-what-is-it-and-what-does-open-mean/#comment-119639</link>
		<dc:creator>pm286</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ale,
Yes - it&#039;s sad how incomplete the vision is. I think we shall change things by doing, not talking, which is why I write liberation software.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ale,<br />
Yes &#8211; it&#8217;s sad how incomplete the vision is. I think we shall change things by doing, not talking, which is why I write liberation software.</p>
<p>P.</p>
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		<title>By: Ale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/10/23/open-access-what-is-it-and-what-does-open-mean/#comment-119606</link>
		<dc:creator>Ale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ni! Hi Peter,

Nice, intriguing post =D

At the risk of sounding too vague, I say Open Access as a movement suffers from a chronic issue of incomplete focus, which is more fundamental than ill definitions and divisions, and leads to them.

As I understand, access is only one part of an open system. So &quot;open access&quot; actually means &quot;access for an open X&quot;, where X in our context happens to be science.

And that is why, as long as one focuses his discourse around access alone, he looses sight of the other aspects without which openness itself cannot be achieved: participation (some call it inclusiveness) and integration (some call it modularity).

In terms of politics, &quot;open access&quot; by itself can be seen as &quot;open data&quot; - which is short for &quot;data for an open government&quot; - without the perspective of open government.

In software terms, &quot;open access&quot; by itself is similar to developing a bunch of &quot;open source applications&quot; without recognizing the goal of building a libre operating system.

So, as I see it, the path to achieve consensus and join forces for &quot;open access&quot; is to ask instead how can we open the process of scientific discovery and the community around it? And what kind of access enables that the most? That will tell us what &quot;open access&quot; has got to be.

Thus, an increasing fraction of the times I&#039;m asked to talk about it, I refer first to open science, and then derive into what kind of access is required for an open science, further observing that it - the so called &quot;open access&quot; - does bring with itself immediate benefits both practical and ethical.

This is not always the right speech to convince most people, but it is the most convincing speech for the right people.

Cheers,
ale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ni! Hi Peter,</p>
<p>Nice, intriguing post =D</p>
<p>At the risk of sounding too vague, I say Open Access as a movement suffers from a chronic issue of incomplete focus, which is more fundamental than ill definitions and divisions, and leads to them.</p>
<p>As I understand, access is only one part of an open system. So &#8220;open access&#8221; actually means &#8220;access for an open X&#8221;, where X in our context happens to be science.</p>
<p>And that is why, as long as one focuses his discourse around access alone, he looses sight of the other aspects without which openness itself cannot be achieved: participation (some call it inclusiveness) and integration (some call it modularity).</p>
<p>In terms of politics, &#8220;open access&#8221; by itself can be seen as &#8220;open data&#8221; &#8211; which is short for &#8220;data for an open government&#8221; &#8211; without the perspective of open government.</p>
<p>In software terms, &#8220;open access&#8221; by itself is similar to developing a bunch of &#8220;open source applications&#8221; without recognizing the goal of building a libre operating system.</p>
<p>So, as I see it, the path to achieve consensus and join forces for &#8220;open access&#8221; is to ask instead how can we open the process of scientific discovery and the community around it? And what kind of access enables that the most? That will tell us what &#8220;open access&#8221; has got to be.</p>
<p>Thus, an increasing fraction of the times I&#8217;m asked to talk about it, I refer first to open science, and then derive into what kind of access is required for an open science, further observing that it &#8211; the so called &#8220;open access&#8221; &#8211; does bring with itself immediate benefits both practical and ethical.</p>
<p>This is not always the right speech to convince most people, but it is the most convincing speech for the right people.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
ale</p>
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		<title>By: pm286</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/10/23/open-access-what-is-it-and-what-does-open-mean/#comment-117082</link>
		<dc:creator>pm286</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 01:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your reply is much appreciated. Not surprisingly I agree with everything in it. I don&#039;t know how we change things. I think the stresses in academic scholarship are building with every year of inaction and cannot be long contained.

The good thing about the RCUK and other initiatives are that they are serious statements of intent. The funders want to change the landscape and they are the only body that can easily do so (Universities have abdicated any responsibility). The choice of CC-BY is really important. It clarifies the result and shifts the power. I&#039;ll try to write more later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your reply is much appreciated. Not surprisingly I agree with everything in it. I don&#8217;t know how we change things. I think the stresses in academic scholarship are building with every year of inaction and cannot be long contained.</p>
<p>The good thing about the RCUK and other initiatives are that they are serious statements of intent. The funders want to change the landscape and they are the only body that can easily do so (Universities have abdicated any responsibility). The choice of CC-BY is really important. It clarifies the result and shifts the power. I&#8217;ll try to write more later.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcin Wojnarski</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/10/23/open-access-what-is-it-and-what-does-open-mean/#comment-117078</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcin Wojnarski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post. Respect for the courage to speak loudly about painful issues. I agree that OA should not only optimize costs and lift access barriers, but ultimately and primarily it should create new sense of community among academia. This has not happened yet, but hopefully it will happen in the future. I&#039;m a programmer, too, and like you I very much appreciate the open source movement and think OA should be going in a similar direction, although I realize that life in academia flows much slower than in IT industry and what took ~10 years in IT can take 20 or 30 years in academia.

I also fully agree with the requirement of citizens&#039; participation. That&#039;s very important yet hugely underestimated by most scholars. What you called &quot;ivorytowerism&quot; is not only bad for society, but mainly it&#039;s bad for academia itself: without healthy relationships with outsiders academia suffocates and turns into art for art&#039;s sake.

Also, I share the scepticism about green route and Institutional Repositories, I was asking about this just recently: http://poynder.blogspot.com/2012/07/oa-interviews-keith-jeffery-uk-science.html?showComment=1341573472687#c5960489624718125031
That&#039;s a fact that IRs don&#039;t provide enough quality of content, for example in terms of licensing terms: different licenses for every document, in most cases licenses are unknown - that makes the content hardly usable for any serious application. General accessibility and ergonomy of user interfaces isn&#039;t any better; likewise their discoverability from search engines. The worst thing is that - despite unquestionable effort put by their developers - there are no chances for IRs to improve over time, because fundamental principles will prohibit any substantial change (e.g., how to unify licenses? that&#039;s just impossible with IRs&#039; modus operandi) - that&#039;s why I bet on Gold more than on Green. And yes, after considering actual licenses of different documents in IR, claiming IRs to be Open Access is a serious abuse. Maybe some people are mislead by the name &quot;repository&quot; and think that IRs are somehow similar to arXiv - the biggest green &quot;success story&quot; - and will achieve similar success, but the truth is that IRs vastly differ from arxiv, in many respects, and there is no reason to believe that they will achieve any comparable adoption among readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post. Respect for the courage to speak loudly about painful issues. I agree that OA should not only optimize costs and lift access barriers, but ultimately and primarily it should create new sense of community among academia. This has not happened yet, but hopefully it will happen in the future. I&#8217;m a programmer, too, and like you I very much appreciate the open source movement and think OA should be going in a similar direction, although I realize that life in academia flows much slower than in IT industry and what took ~10 years in IT can take 20 or 30 years in academia.</p>
<p>I also fully agree with the requirement of citizens&#8217; participation. That&#8217;s very important yet hugely underestimated by most scholars. What you called &#8220;ivorytowerism&#8221; is not only bad for society, but mainly it&#8217;s bad for academia itself: without healthy relationships with outsiders academia suffocates and turns into art for art&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>Also, I share the scepticism about green route and Institutional Repositories, I was asking about this just recently: <a href="http://poynder.blogspot.com/2012/07/oa-interviews-keith-jeffery-uk-science.html?showComment=1341573472687#c5960489624718125031" rel="nofollow">http://poynder.blogspot.com/2012/07/oa-interviews-keith-jeffery-uk-science.html?showComment=1341573472687#c5960489624718125031</a><br />
That&#8217;s a fact that IRs don&#8217;t provide enough quality of content, for example in terms of licensing terms: different licenses for every document, in most cases licenses are unknown &#8211; that makes the content hardly usable for any serious application. General accessibility and ergonomy of user interfaces isn&#8217;t any better; likewise their discoverability from search engines. The worst thing is that &#8211; despite unquestionable effort put by their developers &#8211; there are no chances for IRs to improve over time, because fundamental principles will prohibit any substantial change (e.g., how to unify licenses? that&#8217;s just impossible with IRs&#8217; modus operandi) &#8211; that&#8217;s why I bet on Gold more than on Green. And yes, after considering actual licenses of different documents in IR, claiming IRs to be Open Access is a serious abuse. Maybe some people are mislead by the name &#8220;repository&#8221; and think that IRs are somehow similar to arXiv &#8211; the biggest green &#8220;success story&#8221; &#8211; and will achieve similar success, but the truth is that IRs vastly differ from arxiv, in many respects, and there is no reason to believe that they will achieve any comparable adoption among readers.</p>
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		<title>By: pm286</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/10/23/open-access-what-is-it-and-what-does-open-mean/#comment-116999</link>
		<dc:creator>pm286</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.
I am impressed at first glance with BASE (Bielefeld). Maybe it has a useful API...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.<br />
I am impressed at first glance with BASE (Bielefeld). Maybe it has a useful API&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stewart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/10/23/open-access-what-is-it-and-what-does-open-mean/#comment-116982</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah so the fragmentation issue, I see. Maybe the CORE project might be a better bet to interrogate OA material? http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/intro/api It has an API to allow programmatic querying, and aggregates all major UK IR content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah so the fragmentation issue, I see. Maybe the CORE project might be a better bet to interrogate OA material? <a href="http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/intro/api" rel="nofollow">http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/intro/api</a> It has an API to allow programmatic querying, and aggregates all major UK IR content.</p>
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		<title>By: pm286</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/10/23/open-access-what-is-it-and-what-does-open-mean/#comment-116838</link>
		<dc:creator>pm286</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until there is a clear unified approach to searching university repositories and clear licensing it is far too fragmented and unclear and unpredictable for me. I want &quot;all chemistry theses in UK&quot;. (I really do) I can&#039;t get this. I have to visit each repository and ask &quot;have you got chemistry theses?&quot; Most do not offer such a question. When I get the theses can I read them? Not at Imperial - they are all embargoed till hell freezes over. Can I re-use them? Impossible to determine the conditions.

Repositories are set up on the basis that they contain single jewels of information that people either know in advance exist (I don&#039;t) or are prepared to spend an hour searching for. I and most scientists want to be able to browse the literature are see what is out there. I am now using machines to do this and which repositories actuall specify to machines that machines are allowed to read an index their content? Not many that I know of. (Of course they let GOOGLE do it because Google is so wonderful and anyway they couldn&#039;t stop it, but my robots are second-class compared to Google)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until there is a clear unified approach to searching university repositories and clear licensing it is far too fragmented and unclear and unpredictable for me. I want &#8220;all chemistry theses in UK&#8221;. (I really do) I can&#8217;t get this. I have to visit each repository and ask &#8220;have you got chemistry theses?&#8221; Most do not offer such a question. When I get the theses can I read them? Not at Imperial &#8211; they are all embargoed till hell freezes over. Can I re-use them? Impossible to determine the conditions.</p>
<p>Repositories are set up on the basis that they contain single jewels of information that people either know in advance exist (I don&#8217;t) or are prepared to spend an hour searching for. I and most scientists want to be able to browse the literature are see what is out there. I am now using machines to do this and which repositories actuall specify to machines that machines are allowed to read an index their content? Not many that I know of. (Of course they let GOOGLE do it because Google is so wonderful and anyway they couldn&#8217;t stop it, but my robots are second-class compared to Google)</p>
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		<title>By: pm286</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/10/23/open-access-what-is-it-and-what-does-open-mean/#comment-116837</link>
		<dc:creator>pm286</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stewart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/10/23/open-access-what-is-it-and-what-does-open-mean/#comment-116821</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. I&#039;m going to revisit our licensing terms!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. I&#8217;m going to revisit our licensing terms!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stewart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/10/23/open-access-what-is-it-and-what-does-open-mean/#comment-116820</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Institutional repositories work perfectly well for the individual scholar, most of the time, who requires eyeball access to research- for that person (and there are many of them, as download and other stats show), all that matters is that they are found in Google, Google Scholar and other similar search tools, which they are. You say that you&#039;re interested in lay access to research, but then say that repositories are &quot;worse than useless&quot; when they provide exactly this access. Which is it to be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Institutional repositories work perfectly well for the individual scholar, most of the time, who requires eyeball access to research- for that person (and there are many of them, as download and other stats show), all that matters is that they are found in Google, Google Scholar and other similar search tools, which they are. You say that you&#8217;re interested in lay access to research, but then say that repositories are &#8220;worse than useless&#8221; when they provide exactly this access. Which is it to be?</p>
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